南洋是1894年订购的鱼雷艇，两型的航速都是18节。福龙的主机功率超过1500马力，南洋艇功率只有600和700，航速怎么会高。18节在当时是鱼雷艇普遍的航速，不出色，但是也不落后。而且是中国自己选型，在经费允许的框架内订造。

星宿鱼雷艇在订造的时候是1894年的事情了，他们的设计速度为18节，在当时来说并不慢。但是，在技术上没有什么可圈可点之处，属于寻常的泛泛之作。但要注意的是，星宿鱼雷艇的设计母型是“鹞”级和“拉贝”级鱼雷艇，他们的速度均为18--19节，而以“拉贝”级为母型，德国为日本设计的“22”型鱼雷艇，设计速度为24节，实际速度为18节。这就说明，辰宿列张这四艘鱼雷艇的速度和母型相差不大，德国人还算老实。但实际速度达不到设计速度的要求，明确的显示了，这款鱼雷艇在动力系统方面存在缺陷，但到底是设计问题，工艺问题，还是动力设备的选型问题，这就不清楚了

一分钱一分货，写得看你兜里有多少银子和供货需求，又不是强买强卖嫌慢加钱上快艇啊

你大清自己选的型，怪德棍？马力不够要什么速度

德国动力系统其实不差。但是形修的不好。速度慢了些
至于坑？双远的价格真实良心到暴

其本质就是奕环和载沣父子白给德国钱, 买了一堆垃圾. 同样的价格买英法军舰能买个大的.
英国法国怕得罪大清都不敢卖给日本军舰, 日本都是多花50%的价格买的缩水货.
载沣父子不去英法买军舰, 偏要跟一个几乎没有海军的德国买, 其中必有秽之尻事.
拿出一半的银子给福州造船厂都能造出更好的来.
还有, 我至今想不出青岛是怎么被德国占领的, 德国根本就没那个实力.

经费不足啊，这还是南洋自己出的钱。

钱不够是这样的了！

说到德国为清朝建造的舰艇，老佛爷的《BRITISH DESTROYERS：From Earliest Days to theSecond World War》有一段英国的评测（指文的中文版有微妙的省略），至于将其看作坑人还是为了高速的妥协，就各自理解了：
During the Boxer Rebellion, the Royal Navy captured one of the Chinese Schichau boats.Renamed HMS Taku, she could be examined to test the claims made two years earlier. In September 1900, the DNC asked for detailed particulars, including a body plan. She was far more lightly loaded than a British destroyer, with six 47mm (1.9in) Hotchkiss QF guns and two 14in torpedo tubes. Her hull was shallower than that of a comparable British ship, hence weaker. It also appeared that she was more lightly built than a British destroyer. Accommodation for officers was equal to that in British destroyers, but the seamen’s mess deck was so crowded that five fewer seamen had to be carried than in a British ship. The cooking galley on deck was very inconvenient in a seaway. Metacentric height compared well with British practice, but the range of stability was considerably poorer, and the maximum righting arm was at a smaller angle. In September 1904, her CO stated that at some time her hull had clearly been strained, and that even though defects had been made good, she was not fit for continuous steaming at high speed. He did not want to steam her continuously at more than twenty- four knots even in smooth water. In October, her CO reported that since going to sea the upper deck forward of her engine room had buckled considerably, particularly just abaft her funnels; the deck of the conning tower and the forward deck were distorted; the bulkheads of the forward and middle stokeholds were bulged (bunker door guides had to be eased back to be removed, the doors no longer being watertight), and rivets of the stay supporting the conning towers had torn the deck, causing leaks. Tank tests showed that the Taku hull form was not as well adapted to high speed as that of a British thirty-knotter. It is not clear how well Taku performed on British trials.

列和张只有16节吗？不是都18节吗？

1893年巴西买的雷艇也是14节，还是木壳，日本的小鹰号雷艇也就跑17节

8楼下的回复
RENZhichen315: 德国不差? 德国海军自古以来就是垃圾, 跟德国买军舰根本就是联合德国骗大清的钱的. 别看表面数据, 数据都是骗人的, 要看就看战绩. 德国海军有打过胜仗没?
2024-5-3 20:29回复
RENZhichen315: 价格良心个屁, 给福州造船厂一半的价格造出来的都比双远强. 甲午战争中双远表现最差, 福州自造的船表现要好得多
2024-5-3 20:42回复
关羊习习: 回复 RENZhichen315 :给福州造船厂一半的价格造出来的都比双远强——平远船体船政直接工料费52万余两，经远船体单价69万余两，九漏鱼先去完成义务教育再来嚷嚷。
2024-5-6 10:54回复
RENZhichen315: 回复 关羊习习 :你这个数据从哪儿来的, 别一张嘴胡咧咧
2024-5-19 12:57回复
RENZhichen315: 回复 关羊习习 :就算按你说的价格, 两个加起来也没吉野贵
2024-5-19 13:27回复
关羊习习: 回复 RENZhichen315 :你这个数据从哪儿来的, 别一张嘴胡咧咧——连船政奏议汇编和老李奏报的四舰价格清单这种基础史料都没看过的九漏鱼历史发明家，自然会觉得别人也是胡咧咧。
2024-5-20 11:38回复
关羊习习: 回复 RENZhichen315 :两个加起来也没吉野贵——声讨德国造价讨伐到吉野这条英国货头上，九漏鱼总有叹为观止的表演。
2024-5-20 11:40回复
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到这里为止，RENZhichen315的表现还还只是一个普通无知者，之后画风就突变了。
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RENZhichen315: 回复 关羊习习 :我请问你是怎么看到的史料? 我家的藏书全被联动抄走了, 然后就变成清华的私藏不给人看, 你是怎么看到的?
2024-5-23 17:30回复
RENZhichen315: 回复 关羊习习 :我看你来讨论问题之前先把你们抢走的史料交出来, 然后交代清楚手上有多少血债比较好
2024-5-23 17:32回复
RENZhichen315: 回复 关羊习习 :你先来解释一下前些年那些研究历史的高中生都是怎么死的? 你们历史唯物主义搞大清洗有一套, 我在你们黑名单上排第几啊?
2024-5-24 12:12回复
RENZhichen315: 回复 关羊习习 :什么资料? 就你们发明的历史资料吗? 你这是恐吓老子啊, 多少人被你们害死在精神病院以至于你们现在可以如此嚣张? 我看你们美国主子还能护你们多久, 看你们还能猖狂到几时
2024-5-25 05:19回复
RENZhichen315: 回复 关羊习习 :百度从来不发明历史, 所有引用都符合学术标准, 所以谷歌和维基百科从来都没存在过, 全是我杜撰的
2024-5-25 05:22回复
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原来是只精神病，和他论，我真是吃饱撑的。